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Larry Shaeffer

These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for specifically. The PCPC just can't
These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for
specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like
this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down
motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects
(retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do
travel times. So, motorists win too.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard

Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard
By MIKE McCOY <mike.mccoy@...>
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

 Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.

Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to
turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike
boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.

The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of the
14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other
intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the
street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.

The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists
and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference
over the other.

Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member of
the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said
motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth
Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they
are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.

“Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40
seconds of their time,” he said.

Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea,
agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart
of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater safety
for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.

“Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.

Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along
the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving
riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.

The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by between
2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was added to
the city’s general plan in in 2001.

It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel
across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and
Santa Rosa Junior College.

The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue
located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled
by up to 29,000 cars a day.

Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment,
we’re asking for a level playing field.”

But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from
Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a
waste of money.

She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her
monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts between
motorists and cyclists.

She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop signs,”
she said that cyclists often did not.

“They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.

Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard —
signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
should be in place by August.

After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings
will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a cost
of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.

Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the results
are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial measures that
would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the expense of
motorists.

Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle
Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete
blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force
motorists onto side streets.

“The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.
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richardm

I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will not be able to pass bikes
I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope PA Bikes and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better when we have continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when motorists get aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want to go 30 mph. NOT EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE IS A GOOD IDEA! This Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste of good road clearance space we should not try to duplicate in most areas of Pennsylvania I know.
Richard

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
From: larryshaeffer@...
To: pabikewalk-discussion@...
CC: info@...

These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do travel times. So, motorists win too.




http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard




Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard


			


	                
			
			

			
			




By MIKE McCOY

THE PRESS DEMOCRAT










 
			
			
			
			
				Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m. 

                Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
			
			



Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to
plans to turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s
first bike boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road
equally.


	











The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four
of the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two
other intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to
make the street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy
Adams.
The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard
where motorists and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither
having preference over the other.
Councilman Gary Wysocky, who
lives near the project area and is a member of the Sonoma County
Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said motorists who now
use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth Street
downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they
are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
“Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40 seconds of their time,” he said.
Wysocky,
and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea, agreed
the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart
of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater
safety for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.
“Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.
Adams
said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along
the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving
riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.
The plan
to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by between
2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was
added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
It is viewed as a
safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel across town
or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and Santa
Rosa Junior College.
The other major biking route to the two
schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue located just two blocks east and
running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled by up to 29,000 cars a day.
Dexter
Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special
treatment, we’re asking for a level playing field.”
But Howard
Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from Humboldt,
called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a waste
of money.
She said her own observations, along with that of five
others helping her monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday,
found no conflicts between motorists and cyclists.
She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
“They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.



Adams
said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard —
signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
should be in place by August.
After six months, the results will
be reviewed and neighborhood meetings will be held to determine whether
to implement a permanent project at a cost of $200,000, revise it or
drop the idea.
Several council members indicated they likely will
move ahead if the results are favorable. The city could end up adding
more controversial measures that would make the boulevard even more
bike-friendly, but at the expense of motorists.
Christine Culver,
executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition, said a true
bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete blocks that would
block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force motorists onto
side streets.
“The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.


	













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The bike blvds in Portland and Berkeley are great and allow for lots of room for passing at a safe s
The bike blvds in Portland and Berkeley are great and allow for lots of room
for passing at a safe speed and distance.


Scott Bricker
Executive Director
Bike Pittsburgh
*****************
phone: 412.325.4334
mobile: 412.726.5872
email:  scott@...
website: http://www.bike-pgh.org
*****************************
Bicycle advocacy, safety, & community


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@...> wrote:

>  I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will
> not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope PA Bikes
> and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better when we have
> continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when motorists get
> aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want to go 30 mph. NOT
> EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE IS A GOOD IDEA! This
> Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste of good road clearance
> space we should not try to duplicate in most areas of Pennsylvania I know.
> Richard
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
> Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
> From: larryshaeffer@...
> To: pabikewalk-discussion@...
> CC: info@...
>
>
> These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for
> specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like
> this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down
> motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects
> (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do
> travel times. So, motorists win too.
>
>
> http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard
>
> Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard
> By MIKE McCOY <mike.mccoy@...>
> THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
>
>  Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
> Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
>  Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to
> turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike
> boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.
>  The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of
> the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other
> intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the
> street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
> The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists
> and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference
> over the other.
> Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member of
> the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said
> motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth
> Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they
> are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
> “Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40
> seconds of their time,” he said.
> Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea,
> agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart
> of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater safety
> for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.
> “Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.
> Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along
> the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving
> riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.
> The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by
> between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was
> added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
> It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel
> across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and
> Santa Rosa Junior College.
> The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue
> located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled
> by up to 29,000 cars a day.
> Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
> supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment,
> we’re asking for a level playing field.”
> But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from
> Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a
> waste of money.
> She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her
> monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts between
> motorists and cyclists.
> She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop
> signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
> “They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
> Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard
> — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
> should be in place by August.
> After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings
> will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a cost
> of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
> Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the
> results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial
> measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the
> expense of motorists.
> Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle
> Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete
> blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force
> motorists onto side streets.
> “The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.
>
>
>
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Scott, I know a Lee Bricker and his brother Neil, who are both doctors. Would you be related to th
Scott, I know a Lee Bricker and his brother Neil, who are both  
doctors. Would you be related to these guys?

Toby Carlson

Quoting Scott Bricker <scott@...>:

> The bike blvds in Portland and Berkeley are great and allow for lots of room
> for passing at a safe speed and distance.
>
>
> Scott Bricker
> Executive Director
> Bike Pittsburgh
> *****************
> phone: 412.325.4334
> mobile: 412.726.5872
> email:  scott@...
> website: http://www.bike-pgh.org
> *****************************
> Bicycle advocacy, safety, & community
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@...> wrote:
>
>>  I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will
>> not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope PA Bikes
>> and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better when we have
>> continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when motorists get
>> aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want to go 30 mph. NOT
>> EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE IS A GOOD IDEA! This
>> Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste of good road clearance
>> space we should not try to duplicate in most areas of Pennsylvania I know.
>> Richard
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
>> Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
>> From: larryshaeffer@...
>> To: pabikewalk-discussion@...
>> CC: info@...
>>
>>
>> These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for
>> specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like
>> this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down
>> motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects
>> (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do
>> travel times. So, motorists win too.
>>
>>
>> http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard
>>
>> Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard
>> By MIKE McCOY <mike.mccoy@...>
>> THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
>>
>>  Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
>> Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
>>  Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to
>> turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike
>> boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.
>>  The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of
>> the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other
>> intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the
>> street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
>> The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists
>> and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference
>> over the other.
>> Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member of
>> the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said
>> motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth
>> Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they
>> are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
>> “Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40
>> seconds of their time,” he said.
>> Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea,
>> agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart
>> of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater safety
>> for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.
>> “Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.
>> Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along
>> the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving
>> riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.
>> The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by
>> between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was
>> added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
>> It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel
>> across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and
>> Santa Rosa Junior College.
>> The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue
>> located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled
>> by up to 29,000 cars a day.
>> Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
>> supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment,
>> we’re asking for a level playing field.”
>> But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from
>> Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a
>> waste of money.
>> She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her
>> monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts between
>> motorists and cyclists.
>> She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop
>> signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
>> “They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
>> Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard
>> — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
>> should be in place by August.
>> After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings
>> will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a cost
>> of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
>> Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the
>> results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial
>> measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the
>> expense of motorists.
>> Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle
>> Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete
>> blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force
>> motorists onto side streets.
>> “The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I believe this graphic nicely illustrates the bike boulevard concept, at least as I knew it in Portl
I believe this graphic nicely illustrates the bike boulevard concept, at least as I knew it in Portland, and as it seems to be described in the Santa Rosa article.

I agree, it works best when used in a lower volume, lower/reduced speed environment. The one I used in Portland ran parallel in between two heavily trafficked arterials.

Paul Bender

Paul Bender
Transportation Planner
Richland County Regional Planning Commission



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Moyer 
  To: pabikewalk-discussion@... 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard


  I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope PA Bikes and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better when we have continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when motorists get aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want to go 30 mph. NOT EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE IS A GOOD IDEA! This Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste of good road clearance space we should not try to duplicate in most areas of Pennsylvania I know.
  Richard


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
  Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
  From: larryshaeffer@...
  To: pabikewalk-discussion@...
  CC: info@...

  These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do travel times. So, motorists win too.

  http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard


  Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard

  By MIKE McCOY
  THE PRESS DEMOCRAT


  Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m. 
  Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m. 
  Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.

  The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
  The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference over the other.
  Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member of the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
  “Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40 seconds of their time,” he said.
  Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea, agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater safety for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.
  “Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.
  Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.
  The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
  It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and Santa Rosa Junior College.
  The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled by up to 29,000 cars a day.
  Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment, we’re asking for a level playing field.”
  But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a waste of money.
  She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts between motorists and cyclists.
  She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
  “They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
  Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts — should be in place by August.
  After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a cost of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
  Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the expense of motorists.
  Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force motorists onto side streets.
  “The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.






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Greetings and thanks for the response, This graphic from Richland County does not seem at all to be
Greetings and thanks for the response,
This graphic from Richland County does not seem at all to be the same as the Santa Rosa situation, because if I read correctly, in Santa Rosa the street has both motorists and bicyclists (after the project now forced to follow each other), while this picture seems to depict a street which is for bikes and peds only.
There are two dangers in advocating Santa-Rosa type "traffic calming" projects.
One is the situation where previously, the bike and car had clearance side-by-side, and now, curb extensions or other obstacles force calculations as to who will get through the newly created pinch point first. This may indeed slow vehicle speeds somewhat (which is all some "traffic calmers" really seem to care about) but has the negative effect of making bikes more dependent on driver alertness, when the drivers and bikes must share road space through the new "pinch point". Consequently this can actually be detrimental to cycling. Have the proponents of curb extensions ever found themselves cycling next to a tractor trailer, only to find that 50 feet ahead a curb juts out into the roadway and they will have to make a decision about who gets around first?
Second: these things cost major money, which in my opinion would be much better spent providing roads with good and continuous shoulders, or providing sidewalks to areas which do not yet have them. Instead, funds get spent on curb extensions to areas which already have sidewalks, or spent on other expensive traffic calming projects. These funds are not then available for more basic and in my opinion more necessary infrastructure. And the spending on Santa-Rosa-type stuff then causes the public to view bike-ped spending as a waste (both of money and motorist time), which is bad for bikers and walkers politically.
Just a bit of background as to where I bike from: the community of Ephrata in Lancaster County, home of Old Order Mennonites and others who bike daily for transportation. All we want is for our good road shoulders and wide curb lanes not to be intruded upon by well-intentioned yet ultimately harmful roadwidth-narrowing projects. 
I write as a caution to all who will lobby our PA lawmakers May 5th: be careful what you ask for as you might get it! Please stick to basic things like safe passage, and continuous wide shoulders which benefit bikes and motorists alike, and please do not ask for Santa-Rosa-style expensive roadwidth-narrowing projects which I am sure we will regret in the long run!
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

From: pbender@rcrpc.org
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:26:33 -0400

 
I believe this graphic nicely illustrates the bike boulevard concept, at least as I knew it in Portland, and as it seems to be described in the Santa Rosa article.
 
I agree, it works best when used in a lower volume, lower/reduced speed environment. The one I used in Portland ran parallel in between two heavily trafficked arterials.
 
Paul Bender
Paul Bender
Transportation Planner
Richland County Regional Planning Commission
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard

I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists will not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope PA Bikes and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better when we have continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when motorists get aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want to go 30 mph. NOT EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE IS A GOOD IDEA! This Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste of good road clearance space we should not try to duplicate in most areas of Pennsylvania I know.
Richard


Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
From: larryshaeffer@gmail.com
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
CC: info@bikesharephiladelphia.org

These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of projects (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go down but so do travel times. So, motorists win too.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard

Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard


By MIKE McCOY
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.
The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference over the other.
Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member of the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if they are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
“Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40 seconds of their time,” he said.
Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea, agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the heart of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer greater safety for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across town.
“Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,” Wysocky said.
Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other single file along the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could pass slower-moving riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming lane.
The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled by between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike boulevard was added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to travel across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High School and Santa Rosa Junior College.
The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino Avenue located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is traveled by up to 29,000 cars a day.
Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment, we’re asking for a level playing field.”
But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a waste of money.
She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts between motorists and cyclists.
She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
“They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts — should be in place by August.
After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a cost of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the expense of motorists.
Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force motorists onto side streets.
“The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.




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Hi all, just wanted to give you an update. The Bike blvd. is going through the ringer, but so fa
Hi all,

just wanted to give you an update. The Bike blvd. is going through the ringer,
but so far, so good. It is actually very nice to use, even without the
diverters. We just had our first public meetting and it went well
http://tinyurl.com/yzzsb8s. It looks like we may get the diverters that are
needed. Good news is bike counts are up, car counts are down. 

and in response to one of the comments, cars can pass cyclist just fine. they
have to wait untill it is safe to do so. No different than any other street.

I have to say there is much joy in seeing eople I have never met riding bikes
on our city streets!

Christine Culver
Executive Director
Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition
ph: 707.545.0153, fax: 707.573.0147, www.bikesonoma.org
Mail: PO Box 3088, Santa Rosa, CA 95402-3088
Office: 750 Mendocino Ave. Suite 6, Santa Rosa CA


On 2009-04-15 14:51, Scott Bricker wrote:
> The bike blvds in Portland and Berkeley are great and allow for lots of room
> for passing at a safe speed and distance.
> 
> 
> Scott Bricker
> Executive Director
> Bike Pittsburgh
> *****************
> phone: 412.325.4334
> mobile: 412.726.5872
> email:  scott@...
> website: http://www.bike-pgh.org
> *****************************
> Bicycle advocacy, safety, & community
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@...> wrote:
> 
> >  I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists
> > will
not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope
> > PA Bikes
and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better
> > when we have
continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when
> > motorists get
aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want
> > to go 30 mph. NOT
EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE
> > IS A GOOD IDEA! This
Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste
> > of good road clearance
space we should not try to duplicate in most
> > areas of Pennsylvania I know.
Richard
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
> > Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
> > From: larryshaeffer@...
> > To: pabikewalk-discussion@...
> > CC: info@...
> >
> >
> > These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for
> > specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like
> > this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down
> > motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of
> > projects
(retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go
> > down but so do
travel times. So, motorists win too.
> >
> >
> > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard
> >
> > Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard
> > By MIKE McCOY <mike.mccoy@...>
> > THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
> >
> >  Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
> > Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
> >  Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to
> > turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike
> > boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.
> >  The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of
> > the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other
> > intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the
> > street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
> > The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists
> > and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference
> > over the other.
> > Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member
> > of
the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said
> > motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth
> > Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if
> > they
are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
> > “Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40
> > seconds of their time,” he said.
> > Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea,
> > agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the
> > heart
of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer
> > greater safety
for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across
> > town.
“Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,”
> > Wysocky said.
Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other
> > single file along
the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could
> > pass slower-moving
riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming
> > lane.
The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled
> > by
between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike
> > boulevard was
added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
> > It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to
> > travel
across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High
> > School and
Santa Rosa Junior College.
> > The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino
> > Avenue
located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is
> > traveled
by up to 29,000 cars a day.
> > Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
> > supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment,
> > we’re asking for a level playing field.”
> > But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from
> > Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a
> > waste of money.
> > She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her
> > monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts
> > between
motorists and cyclists.
> > She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop
> > signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
> > “They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
> > Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard
> > — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
> > should be in place by August.
> > After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings
> > will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a
> > cost
of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
> > Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the
> > results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial
> > measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the
> > expense of motorists.
> > Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle
> > Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete
> > blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force
> > motorists onto side streets.
> > “The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.
> >
> >
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Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks.... I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or ef
Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

> From: dhbetty@att.net
> To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
> Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:25:48 -0400
>
> Hi all,
>
> just wanted to give you an update. The Bike blvd. is going through the ringer,
> but so far, so good. It is actually very nice to use, even without the
> diverters. We just had our first public meetting and it went well
> http://tinyurl.com/yzzsb8s. It looks like we may get the diverters that are
> needed. Good news is bike counts are up, car counts are down.
>
> and in response to one of the comments, cars can pass cyclist just fine. they
> have to wait untill it is safe to do so. No different than any other street.
>
> I have to say there is much joy in seeing eople I have never met riding bikes
> on our city streets!
>
> Christine Culver
> Executive Director
> Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition
> ph: 707.545.0153, fax: 707.573.0147, www.bikesonoma.org
> Mail: PO Box 3088, Santa Rosa, CA 95402-3088
> Office: 750 Mendocino Ave. Suite 6, Santa Rosa CA
>
>
> On 2009-04-15 14:51, Scott Bricker wrote:
> > The bike blvds in Portland and Berkeley are great and allow for lots of room
> > for passing at a safe speed and distance.
> >
> >
> > Scott Bricker
> > Executive Director
> > Bike Pittsburgh
> > *****************
> > phone: 412.325.4334
> > mobile: 412.726.5872
> > email: scott@bike-pgh.org
> > website: http://www.bike-pgh.org
> > *****************************
> > Bicycle advocacy, safety, & community
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I do NOT want to spend money to make streets so narrow that motorists
> > > will
> not be able to pass bikes in the normal course of traffic---I hope
> > > PA Bikes
> and Walks does NOT follow Santa Rosa's ideas. Biking is better
> > > when we have
> continous shoulder or wide outside lane clearance, not when
> > > motorists get
> aggravated because we are going 15-20 mph when they want
> > > to go 30 mph. NOT
> EVERYTHING THAT COMES DOWN THE "TRAFFIC CALMING" PIKE
> > > IS A GOOD IDEA! This
> Santa Rosa project is a waste of money and a waste
> > > of good road clearance
> space we should not try to duplicate in most
> > > areas of Pennsylvania I know.
> Richard
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 -0400
> > > Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] council OKs bike boulevard
> > > From: larryshaeffer@gmail.com
> > > To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
> > > CC: info@bikesharephiladelphia.org
> > >
> > >
> > > These are the kinds of facilities that have to asked/demanded for
> > > specifically. The PCPC just can't bring themselves to propose things like
> > > this on their own. in the article they talk about bikes slowing down
> > > motorists (taking of their time) but in reality when these types of
> > > projects
> (retrofitting intersections w/roundabouts) go in, speeds go
> > > down but so do
> travel times. So, motorists win too.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090414/ARTICLES/904149890?Title=Santa-Rosa-council-OKs-bike-boulevard
> > >
> > > Santa Rosa council OKs bike boulevard
> > > By MIKE McCOY <mike.mccoy@pressdemocrat.com>
> > > THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
> > >
> > > Published: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
> > > Last Modified: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 6:56 p.m.
> > > Santa Rosa’s City Council gave its unanimous go-ahead Tuesday to plans to
> > > turn a 1.5-mile stretch of Humboldt Street into the county’s first bike
> > > boulevard where cyclists and motorists will share the road equally.
> > > The six-month experiment will involve adding traffic circles at four of
> > > the 14 intersections along the route, sidewalk “bulb-outs” at two other
> > > intersections with heavy pedestrian traffic and added signage to make the
> > > street as safe as possible, said transportation planner Nancy Adams.
> > > The two-lane street would be turned into a bike boulevard where motorists
> > > and cyclists follow each other in single file, neither having preference
> > > over the other.
> > > Councilman Gary Wysocky, who lives near the project area and is a member
> > > of
> the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition that is backing the project, said
> > > motorists who now use Humboldt as a short-cut between Lewis Road and Fifth
> > > Street downtown won’t see much difference in their travel time even if
> > > they
> are stuck behind slower-moving bike riders.
> > > “Drivers will find these annoying cyclists are only taking up 30 to 40
> > > seconds of their time,” he said.
> > > Wysocky, and about a dozen audience members who came to support the idea,
> > > agreed the trade-off for slower traffic is a residential street in the
> > > heart
> of the Santa Rosa Junior College neighborhood that will offer
> > > greater safety
> for all ages and levels of cyclists traveling across
> > > town.
> “Safety is the No. 1 impediment to people getting on a bike,”
> > > Wysocky said.
> Adams said cyclists and motorists would follow each other
> > > single file along
> the 25 mile-per-hour street but that motorists could
> > > pass slower-moving
> riders when there was no traffic in the oncoming
> > > lane.
> The plan to eventually convert this stretch of Humboldt, traveled
> > > by
> between 2,800 to 4,800 cars daily, into the city’s first bike
> > > boulevard was
> added to the city’s general plan in in 2001.
> > > It is viewed as a safer alternative for less experienced cyclists to
> > > travel
> across town or to neighboring schools, including Santa Rosa High
> > > School and
> Santa Rosa Junior College.
> > > The other major biking route to the two schools, four-lane Mendocino
> > > Avenue
> located just two blocks east and running parallel to Humboldt, is
> > > traveled
> by up to 29,000 cars a day.
> > > Dexter Street resident Howard Adler, among the neighborhood cyclists
> > > supporting the experiment, said, “We’re not asking for special treatment,
> > > we’re asking for a level playing field.”
> > > But Howard Street resident Kay Tokerud, who lives a half-block from
> > > Humboldt, called the test project, which will cost $36,500 to implement, a
> > > waste of money.
> > > She said her own observations, along with that of five others helping her
> > > monitor traffic on Humboldt for six hours Monday, found no conflicts
> > > between
> motorists and cyclists.
> > > She noted that while all the “drivers obeyed the red lights and stop
> > > signs,” she said that cyclists often did not.
> > > “They made very little effort to observe the traffic rules,” she said.
> > > Adams said the temporary structures needed to implement the bike boulevard
> > > — signage, sidewalk extensions called bulb-outs and traffic roundabouts —
> > > should be in place by August.
> > > After six months, the results will be reviewed and neighborhood meetings
> > > will be held to determine whether to implement a permanent project at a
> > > cost
> of $200,000, revise it or drop the idea.
> > > Several council members indicated they likely will move ahead if the
> > > results are favorable. The city could end up adding more controversial
> > > measures that would make the boulevard even more bike-friendly, but at the
> > > expense of motorists.
> > > Christine Culver, executive director for the Sonoma County Bicycle
> > > Coalition, said a true bike boulevard would include diverters, concrete
> > > blocks that would block traffic at various sections of Humboldt and force
> > > motorists onto side streets.
> > > “The boulevard should give bicyclists priority,” she said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are *low vo

I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are low volume low speed streets that have been optimized for bicycle travel travel through treatment such as traffic calming and traffic reduction, signage and pavement markings and intersection crossing treatments.

Bicycle Boulevards are usually parallel to major streets or transportation corridors and they are often utilized in urban street grid networks, so motorists have many other transportation route choices.

Studies one at Portland State University show that women prefer bicycle boulevards on residential streets to bike lanes on arterials. Philadelphia is moving forward with proposals for bicycle boulevards because most of our streets are only 26 feet wide with no available right of way.

--
John Boyle
Advocacy Director
The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia
1500 Walnut St, Ste 1107
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215.BICYCLE (242-9253) X2
http://www.bicyclecoalition.org


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

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CYCLE SMART

Communities need transportation options for ALL users. Transportation options, if designed properly
Communities need transportation options for ALL users. Transportation options, if designed properly and used properly will always yield solutions to congestion problems. It's a two way street.....uh, no pun intended.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Boyle
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are low volume low speed streets that have been optimized for bicycle travel travel through treatment such as traffic calming and traffic reduction, signage and pavement markings and intersection crossing treatments.

Bicycle Boulevards are usually parallel to major streets or transportation corridors and they are often utilized in urban street grid networks, so motorists have many other transportation route choices.

Studies one at Portland State University show that women prefer bicycle boulevards on residential streets to bike lanes on arterials. Philadelphia is moving forward with proposals for bicycle boulevards because most of our streets are only 26 feet wide with no available right of way.

--
John Boyle
Advocacy Director
The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia
1500 Walnut St, Ste 1107
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215.BICYCLE (242-9253) X2
http://www.bicyclecoalition.org


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

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Nat Hayes

Mr. Moyer et al., Understand that not all applications of shared thoroughfares or traffic calming
Mr. Moyer et al.,


Understand that not all applications of shared thoroughfares or traffic calming corridors will elicit the intended response from motorists - or cyclists, for that matter, but that shouldn't discourage communities from constructing them.

Shoulders simply do not exist in much of the Commonwealth, and would require miles of strip take property acquisitions and construction at a cost that is beyond the reach of PennDOT and local governments.  Additionally, I'm of the opinion that religating cyclists to the shoulder contributes to an "out of sight, out of mind" condition for the motorist.  Motorists currently dominate the intent and use of our fixed transportation systems.  If we don't reinforce the rules and regulations which allow cyclists the same access as motorists, then motorists will continue to propogate the notion that the roads are theirs and no one elses.

Here in Pittsburgh the city planning department is currently seeking a consultant to identify appropriate signage and traffic control devices to install within a series of - currently - "unofficial" bikeways.  I say unofficial because, although these streets receive may cycling trips and are identified by the cycling community as "safe" streets, there are no signs or other devices officially identifying them as such and complementing this mode of transportation.

I'm sure someone from Bike-PGH could chime in and explain further, but my point is that a "textbook" application of MUTCD or other systems for shared thoroughfares or bikeways will not necessarily result in the intended outcome, but that by no means should discourage a city or other community from future developments, nor inhibit them from revising as necessary to achieve their intent.


Sincerely,

Nat Hayes, P.E., M.ASCE




From: cyclesmart@dreamrideprojects.org
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:59 -0400

Communities need transportation options for ALL users. Transportation options, if designed properly and used properly will always yield solutions to congestion problems. It's a two way street.....uh, no pun intended.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Boyle
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are low volume low speed streets that have been optimized for bicycle travel travel through treatment such as traffic calming and traffic reduction, signage and pavement markings and intersection crossing treatments.

Bicycle Boulevards are usually parallel to major streets or transportation corridors and they are often utilized in urban street grid networks, so motorists have many other transportation route choices.

Studies one at Portland State University show that women prefer bicycle boulevards on residential streets to bike lanes on arterials. Philadelphia is moving forward with proposals for bicycle boulevards because most of our streets are only 26 feet wide with no available right of way.

--
John Boyle
Advocacy Director
The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia
1500 Walnut St, Ste 1107
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215.BICYCLE (242-9253) X2
http://www.bicyclecoalition.org


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

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Bravo, unique communities demand unique solutions, creativity and innovation are the American Way, a
Bravo, unique communities demand unique solutions, creativity and innovation are the American Way, and for that matter a Global Way.
 
Thanks for your comments Mr. Hayes!
----- Original Message -----
From: Nat Hayes
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

Mr. Moyer et al.,


Understand that not all applications of shared thoroughfares or traffic calming corridors will elicit the intended response from motorists - or cyclists, for that matter, but that shouldn't discourage communities from constructing them.

Shoulders simply do not exist in much of the Commonwealth, and would require miles of strip take property acquisitions and construction at a cost that is beyond the reach of PennDOT and local governments.  Additionally, I'm of the opinion that religating cyclists to the shoulder contributes to an "out of sight, out of mind" condition for the motorist.  Motorists currently dominate the intent and use of our fixed transportation systems.  If we don't reinforce the rules and regulations which allow cyclists the same access as motorists, then motorists will continue to propogate the notion that the roads are theirs and no one elses.

Here in Pittsburgh the city planning department is currently seeking a consultant to identify appropriate signage and traffic control devices to install within a series of - currently - "unofficial" bikeways.  I say unofficial because, although these streets receive may cycling trips and are identified by the cycling community as "safe" streets, there are no signs or other devices officially identifying them as such and complementing this mode of transportation.

I'm sure someone from Bike-PGH could chime in and explain further, but my point is that a "textbook" application of MUTCD or other systems for shared thoroughfares or bikeways will not necessarily result in the intended outcome, but that by no means should discourage a city or other community from future developments, nor inhibit them from revising as necessary to achieve their intent.


Sincerely,

Nat Hayes, P.E., M.ASCE




From: cyclesmart@dreamrideprojects.org
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:59 -0400

Communities need transportation options for ALL users. Transportation options, if designed properly and used properly will always yield solutions to congestion problems. It's a two way street.....uh, no pun intended.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Boyle
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are low volume low speed streets that have been optimized for bicycle travel travel through treatment such as traffic calming and traffic reduction, signage and pavement markings and intersection crossing treatments.

Bicycle Boulevards are usually parallel to major streets or transportation corridors and they are often utilized in urban street grid networks, so motorists have many other transportation route choices.

Studies one at Portland State University show that women prefer bicycle boulevards on residential streets to bike lanes on arterials. Philadelphia is moving forward with proposals for bicycle boulevards because most of our streets are only 26 feet wide with no available right of way.

--
John Boyle
Advocacy Director
The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia
1500 Walnut St, Ste 1107
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215.BICYCLE (242-9253) X2
http://www.bicyclecoalition.org


On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

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Larry Shaeffer

I was wondering what's the reaction of the biking community on the new east/west lane installation o

I was wondering what's the reaction of the biking community on the new east/west lane installation on Pine/Spruce, a couple of months in? I did see that the city is going to hold public mtgs on them soon. Not sure of venue/time/place.

I'm seeing a lack of enforcement on cars parking in the bike lane. And on Saturdays and Sunday, as was the previous policy when it was two lanes for cars, in the sections btwn 18th and 21sts Sts. religious worshipers seem to park with impunity in the bike lane (right lane).
Larry Shaeffer

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Walker,Fritz <WALKERFH@airproducts.com> wrote:

What I am in favor of is much more widespread use of shared lane markings on low volume, low speed streets like 24th.  They do a terrific job of sending the message that “bikes belong” to cyclists and motorists, and they are not expensive.

 

     Fritz

 

From: Richard Moyer [mailto:moyerrpm@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:23 AM
To: PABIKEWALK; billhoffman1@verizon.net


Subject: RE: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

 

Hello again and thanks for the comments.
I am aware that we don't always already have right of way for an adequate shoulder, but what annoys me is that very often we do, and when a new Highway Occupancy Permit gets approved, the developer narrows, say, a five foot shoulder to a two foot shoulder. This happened on the west end of Ephrata on US 322, where at least a five foot shoulder is needed to provide bike/motorist clearance due to the heavy traffic volume including many trucks. There should be policies in place which recognize that on a heavily traveled arterial, narrowing the shoulder is NEVER a good idea.
I disagree with the comment that providing a consistent adequate shoulder is bad for bikes because it "relegates" us to the shoulder--we know we still have the right to move to turn left or avoid hazards, but the shoulder allows harmonious movement for our slow speed and motorists' faster speeds, and, as I mentioned, decreases motorist vs. cyclist hostility/uncertainty.
I also am wondering why a low speed, low traffic street which parallels a busy arterial needs any kind of special treatment at all. Last time I biked through Philadelphia I had to get from Center City to the airport and chose, not busy Broad St., but slow-moving 24th street. This worked just fine, as would have any number of other side streets. I am cautious both of Philadelphia proposing to choose just one or two of such streets as "bicycle boulevards" because people who happen to live on other streets and travel by bike might end up with more problems from cars who think they should go by "boulevard" instead, and the problem encountered in the California comment section from motorists who perceive the whole boulevard thing as a misguided waste of money. And I agree that making such a bike boulevard is a waste...if the street is already low traffic and low speed, what's the great need for unusual treatment?
The goal I work towards is the day when, at the very least, our roads which currently have adequate shoulder clearance, will never again have this clearance cut down by "pork chop islands", curb extensions which is where the sidewalk is made to jut into the street, or other such narrowing projects which throw the bikes and motorists into the same lane and therefore increase danger and hostility and discourage cycling. Don't take away shoulder which is already there! This policy would cost no extra money and is very reasonable, but every new development on a well-shouldered PA road now brings the threat of narrowing since this policy is not yet in place. We are more in danger now due to the new PennDOT overemphasis on "design speed" and promotion of narrow roadways, which may make some sense in slow-moving low traffic areas, but would choke arterials like plaque chokes off blood arteries. Please, PennDOT folks, even if a bike lane is not striped, imagine a bike lane on every state road when the Highway Occupancy Permit comes to you, and make sure there will still be side-by-side clearance when the Permit is granted.
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA 

 


From: dster21@comcast.net
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:06:01 -0500

And Thank You for your comments, Richard Moyer.  You kicked off an interesting dialog on this list.  I don't think we totally disagree with you.  As stated below, we have very unique problems in our diverse communities.

 

For example, I'm not certain just what you mean by "Curb Extensions" but by simply taking that term for what it is, I think I may be against them.

 

I am a cycling advocacy leader in Delaware County, Pa. and I agree with the problem of getting wider shoulders in Pa.  We are jealous of the shoulders they are able to have in our neighboring States, Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey where the topography is relatively flat and it is much simpler to provide shoulders.  Here in Pa, where our topography is hillier (and has many older "sunken roads") it is expensive to immitate our neighbors as well as to keep these shoulders free of debris (broken glass)(especially in the winter).  PennDOT is handicapped with their agreements with local municipalities about just who is responsible for cleaning off the shoulders.

 

In Delaware (the State of), we are currently fighting a problem created by the existence of "Pork Chop Islands" which were probably built to enhance pedestrian saffety, but are a huge problem for cycling safely.  In my hometown, Lansdowne, Pa., the best tool we have and are currently pursuing is to paint Sharrows on the travel lanes on our streets (parallel to the arterials).  Our thoroughfares are mostly 30' wide with parking on both sides so there is no way we can have striped bike lanes.  Signage is expensive.  Paint is cheap.  We are all citizens of our flawed Commonwealth and need to create efficient and practical ideas that are affordable by our financially strapped municipalities.  I work in a region that goes from Urban to suburban to rural and each of these areas require creative, individual solutions.

 

Hoping Pa bikes and walks makes an impact in Harrisburg,

 

David Bennett,

 

Chairman, Delaware County Cycling Committee of the Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia (which includes South Jersey and Delaware)

----- Original Message -----

From: CYCLE SMART

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

 

Bravo, unique communities demand unique solutions, creativity and innovation are the American Way, and for that matter a Global Way.

 

Thanks for your comments Mr. Hayes!

----- Original Message -----

From: Nat Hayes

Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:23 AM

Subject: RE: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

 

Mr. Moyer et al.,


Understand that not all applications of shared thoroughfares or traffic calming corridors will elicit the intended response from motorists - or cyclists, for that matter, but that shouldn't discourage communities from constructing them.

Shoulders simply do not exist in much of the Commonwealth, and would require miles of strip take property acquisitions and construction at a cost that is beyond the reach of PennDOT and local governments.  Additionally, I'm of the opinion that religating cyclists to the shoulder contributes to an "out of sight, out of mind" condition for the motorist.  Motorists currently dominate the intent and use of our fixed transportation systems.  If we don't reinforce the rules and regulations which allow cyclists the same access as motorists, then motorists will continue to propogate the notion that the roads are theirs and no one elses.

Here in Pittsburgh the city planning department is currently seeking a consultant to identify appropriate signage and traffic control devices to install within a series of - currently - "unofficial" bikeways.  I say unofficial because, although these streets receive may cycling trips and are identified by the cycling community as "safe" streets, there are no signs or other devices officially identifying them as such and complementing this mode of transportation.

I'm sure someone from Bike-PGH could chime in and explain further, but my point is that a "textbook" application of MUTCD or other systems for shared thoroughfares or bikeways will not necessarily result in the intended outcome, but that by no means should discourage a city or other community from future developments, nor inhibit them from revising as necessary to achieve their intent.


Sincerely,

Nat Hayes, P.E., M.ASCE



From: cyclesmart@dreamrideprojects.org
To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:59 -0400

Communities need transportation options for ALL users. Transportation options, if designed properly and used properly will always yield solutions to congestion problems. It's a two way street.....uh, no pun intended.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Boyle

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:37 PM

Subject: Re: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] Re: council OKs bike boulevard

 

I couldn't disagree more, the definition of bicycle boulevard is that Bicycle Boulevards are low volume low speed streets that have been optimized for bicycle travel travel through treatment such as traffic calming and traffic reduction, signage and pavement markings and intersection crossing treatments.

Bicycle Boulevards are usually parallel to major streets or transportation corridors and they are often utilized in urban street grid networks, so motorists have many other transportation route choices.

Studies one at Portland State University show that women prefer bicycle boulevards on residential streets to bike lanes on arterials. Philadelphia is moving forward with proposals for bicycle boulevards because most of our streets are only 26 feet wide with no available right of way.

--
John Boyle
Advocacy Director
The Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia
1500 Walnut St, Ste 1107
Philadelphia, PA 19102
215.BICYCLE (242-9253) X2
http://www.bicyclecoalition.org

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi, PA Bikes and Walks folks....
I'm the one who warned us PA people not to put too much money or effort into road-narrowing concepts such as curb extensions or "bike boulevards" and, having now read the attached news article from California and going on to read all the comments, I still agree with my original position. The comments demonstrate how such roadwidth-narrowing projects build anger between cyclists and motorists. One comment, from a cyclist, even states that he avoids this "bike boulevard" because the way the traffic signs and stripes were taken away, it is hard to know who has the right of way (he bikes now on streets parallel). Not every cyclist is thrilled with the boulevard and some motorists are quite ticked off about it. Motorists commented that motor traffic counts are down simply due to construction and motorists putting their traffic on other streets, so it isn't the big benefit claimed.

I still very strongly suggest that we in Pennsylvania should put most of our effort into making all shoulders as much as possible consistently wide enough for bikes on all of our state highways and high-traffic volume streets (both in the countryside and in the built-up areas). This will be a win for the bikes and a win for the motorists as well. "Traffic calming" stuff like "bike boulevards" may be "creative," but please read the comment section of that California newspaper and consider that what is "created" is more motorist-versus-cyclist hostility. "Curb extensions" and "road narrowing" are now touted as ways to slow motorist speeds, but little thought is given to how cyclists riding alongside the motorists will have to somehow merge into the motorists lane after these obstructions are built, and how dangerous and bike-unfriendly this maneuver is on a busy street.

Road-narrowing projects spend good money for very little benefit/ or even, create harm (taking away the clearance of a cyclist alongside a motorist is harming the cyclist).
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA

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Larry Shaeffer

here's more research showing that wider roads (w/wide shoulders) lead to higher vehicle speeds creat

here's more research showing that wider roads (w/wide shoulders) lead to higher vehicle speeds creating less safe conditions for all modes

from the

NCBW Newsletter

THE RESEARCH BEAT

ROAD DESIGN AND DRIVERS’ SPEED CHOICES

"This report describes an investigation into whether or not physical characteristics of the roadway and the roadside  environment are associated with actual vehicle running speeds, and how actual vehicle running speeds are associated  with the occurrence and severity of motor vehicle crashes in conjunction with other roadway and roadside characteristics.

"Actual vehicle running speeds were observed at about 300 locations in urban, suburban and rural areas across  Connecticut, at locations without horizontal curves or traffic control devices. Only vehicles traveling through the section  unimpeded either by leading or turning vehicles were observed in order to get true free flow traffic speeds. Roadway and  roadside characteristics were observed, and statistical prediction models were estimated to learn more about how free flow vehicle speed, roadway and roadside characteristics and crash incidence and severity are related. The factors associated with higher average running speeds are wide shoulders, large building setbacks and a  residential location.

"The factors associated with lower average running speeds are on-street parking, sidewalks and a  downtown or commercial location. These findings suggest that drivers slow down where the road feels 'hemmed-in' or  there is noticeable street activity, and they speed up where the road feels 'wide open' or street activity is less noticeable.  This finding is not surprising, but these relationships are quite strong in the observed data, and it is a useful result to isolate this short list of factors that are significantly correlated with actual vehicle running speeds.

"These findings demonstrate that through careful, intentional selection of roadway and roadside design elements, it is  possible to influence the running speed of traffic on a road. It appears that drivers indeed take cues from elements of the  roadway and roadside environment to decide how fast to drive and these cues are independent of the posted speed limit  and other considerations that might be important to the community for reducing speeds.

"So the good news is that it is  possible to influence drivers' choice of speed through design of roadway and roadside elements; but the bad news is that  many existing roads cue drivers to travel much faster than the posted speed limit and the community would like."

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"Designing Roads that Guide Drivers to Choose Safer Speeds;" by John N. Ivan, Norman W. Garrick, and Gilbert Hanson, University of Connecticut, Connecticut Transportation Institute; for Connecticut Department of Transportation; JHR 09-321 Project 04-6. November 2009 (1.1mb pdf)

http://tinyurl.com/yk5oucx



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Richard Moyer <moyerrpm@hotmail.com> wrote:
Here's a positive policy to focus on:
"Cary requires bicycle facilities in the form of striped bike lanes or 14’ wide outside lanes, on all new or improved collector roads and thoroughfares."
This is taken from the League of American Bicyclists website, searching Cary, NC as a bicycle-friendly community. This policy of continuous wide outside lanes/shoulders/bike lanes on busy roads makes a lot of sense to me and it is my goal that Pennsylvania planning also adopt such policies, in order that bikes and motor vehicles harmoniously continue to share the busy roads. Traffic calming measures can be good, or bad, depending on where and how implemented. Any violation of the 14' wide outside lane policy, from the point of view of the cyclist, on a busy road, is discouraging and therefore bad.
Thanks for the discussion forum...
Richard Moyer
Ephrata, PA


> From: walkbikeberks@yahoo.com
> To: pabikewalk-discussion@lists.livablestreets.com
> Subject: [PA Bikes and Walks discussion] RE: Re: council OKs bike boulevard
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:09 -0500

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>
> Great exchange. Thanks all for actively voicing your concerns. It is
> important for us to continue an open dialogue as we come together.
>
> Keep in mind, please, that PA Walks and Bikes intends to bring together
> cyclists and pedestrians. For far too long, the automobile has dominated
> transportation funding, policies, and practices. We cannot afford to be
> marginalized – especially not by each other. We share many common interests
> and have many similar goals. Collectively, we can influence policies and
> funding that will take us closer to a balanced transportation system.
>
> Equally, sure there are going to be different solutions for bikes and peds and
> very occasionally that will conflict - but rarely. Traffic calming is
> generally good for both - if it actually slows traffic down. Our work
> together will remain focused on securing money and strategies that are
> flexible enough to meet the differing needs of rural, suburban, and urban
> communities. But we should not spend too much time focusing on the negative –
> as that will not move us forward. Instead, let’s focus our conversations and
> our time on making sure we are equally valued and recognized in the PA
> transportation world -- restated -- let's keep our focus on working together
> to accomplish change that benefits bicyclists and pedestrians of all kinds.
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