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Maggie Clarke

Just found out that when the Community Board votes on something, even unanimously, it means nothing.
Just found out that when the Community Board votes on something, even unanimously, it means nothing. 

The economic development committee has Vida Mexicana on their agenda for next week's meeting - TUESDAY, July 7, at 7pm at the CB office - 711 W 168 St.  Just two days after the July 4 weekend, and 2 months after this unanimous vote, one could argue that something fishy is going on.  In any event, if legions of people do Not show up for this committee meeting, they may go ahead and vote again and reverse it.

The following (which should be put in our files area) is a quote from the law of reasons we can use (and that the Liquor authority will listen to) for opposing a liquor license for this restaurant:

     6-a. The authority may  consider  any  or  all  of  the  following  in
  determining  whether  public  convenience  and  advantage and the public
  interest will be promoted by the granting of licenses  and  permits  for
  the sale of alcoholic beverages at a particular unlicensed location:
    (a)  The number, classes and character of licenses in proximity to the
  location and in the particular municipality or subdivision thereof.
    (b) Evidence  that  all  necessary  licenses  and  permits  have  been
  obtained from the state and all other governing bodies.
    (c)  Effect  of  the  grant  of  the  license on vehicular traffic and
  parking in proximity to the location.
    (d) The existing noise level at the location and any increase in noise
  level that would be generated by the proposed premises.
    (e) The history of liquor violations and reported criminal activity at
  the proposed premises.
    (f) Any other factors specified by law or regulation that are relevant
  to determine the public convenience and advantage and public interest of
  the community.

    Section 64, 6-a of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law
    http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS

Action items for us can include (not limited to)

1. appearing and speaking at the July 7 meeting
2. asking our Councilmember and Assemblymember to appear and speak against the license at the meeting
3. spreading the word to our networks and asking them to attend and speak


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Maggie Clarke, Ph.D.
www.MaggieClarkeEnvironmental.com
Environmental Scientist, Educator
mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu
New York City
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Jonathan

Dr. Clarke, Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the spirit of parliamentar
Dr. Clarke,

Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
in Upper Manhattan?

Jonathan

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Marjorie J. Clarke,
Ph.D.<mclarke@...> wrote:
> Just found out that when the Community Board votes on something, even
> unanimously, it means nothing.
>
> The economic development committee has Vida Mexicana on their agenda for
> next week's meeting - TUESDAY, July 7, at 7pm at the CB office - 711 W 168
> St.  Just two days after the July 4 weekend, and 2 months after this
> unanimous vote, one could argue that something fishy is going on.  In any
> event, if legions of people do Not show up for this committee meeting, they
> may go ahead and vote again and reverse it.
>
> The following (which should be put in our files area) is a quote from the
> law of reasons we can use (and that the Liquor authority will listen to) for
> opposing a liquor license for this restaurant:
>
>      6-a. The authority may  consider  any  or  all  of  the  following  in
>   determining  whether  public  convenience  and  advantage and the public
>   interest will be promoted by the granting of licenses  and  permits  for
>   the sale of alcoholic beverages at a particular unlicensed location:
>     (a)  The number, classes and character of licenses in proximity to the
>   location and in the particular municipality or subdivision thereof.
>     (b) Evidence  that  all  necessary  licenses  and  permits  have  been
>   obtained from the state and all other governing bodies.
>     (c)  Effect  of  the  grant  of  the  license on vehicular traffic and
>   parking in proximity to the location.
>     (d) The existing noise level at the location and any increase in noise
>   level that would be generated by the proposed premises.
>     (e) The history of liquor violations and reported criminal activity at
>   the proposed premises.
>     (f) Any other factors specified by law or regulation that are relevant
>   to determine the public convenience and advantage and public interest of
>   the community.
>
>     Section 64, 6-a of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law
>     http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
>
> Action items for us can include (not limited to)
>
> 1. appearing and speaking at the July 7 meeting
> 2. asking our Councilmember and Assemblymember to appear and speak against
> the license at the meeting
> 3. spreading the word to our networks and asking them to attend and speak
>
>
> Recommended viewing for the 21st century:  www.storyofstuff.com
>
>
> Maggie Clarke, Ph.D.
> www.MaggieClarkeEnvironmental.com
> Environmental Scientist, Educator
> mclarke@...
> New York City
>
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velodromedary

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote: &gt; Isn't returning to the sam
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote:
> Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
> spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
> in Upper Manhattan?
If there is a major change in the question, such as dramatic new
information, it could justify re-hearing an issue.

Otherwise, most organizations that use Robert's Rules of Order would
first require a 2/3 vote on the question of whether to put the item
on the agenda, since the previous majority decision is in effect
being reversed.

I don't know what parliamentary authority is used by the Community Board
but it probably has something similar, since this is a basic principle
for deliberative bodies.

	-- Ed
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Maggie Clarke

At the Economic Development CB12 meeting a couple of weeks ago, they did indeed discuss the same res
At the Economic Development CB12 meeting a couple of weeks ago, they did indeed discuss the same restaurant again, but because the 34th precinct did not provide enough information (other than having called Dyckman a bar strip with a concentration of liquor licenses in the 2 block stretch), they tabled it !

At 01:06 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote:
> Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
> spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
> in Upper Manhattan?

If there is a major change in the question, such as dramatic new
information, it could justify re-hearing an issue.

Otherwise, most organizations that use Robert's Rules of Order would
first require a 2/3 vote on the question of whether to put the item
on the agenda, since the previous majority decision is in effect
being reversed.

I don't know what parliamentary authority is used by the Community Board
but it probably has something similar, since this is a basic principle
for deliberative bodies.

        -- Ed


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New York City
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Rita L. McKee

FYI the next meeting is Tues July 29. Rita L. McKee 447 Fort Washington Avenue Suite 63 New York, N
FYI the next meeting is Tues July 29.   

Rita L. McKee
447 Fort Washington Avenue
Suite 63
New York, NY 10033
917.526.0050
_________________________
Principal,
RLM Marketing & Advertising
Member,
Community Board 12/Manhattan

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On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:23 AM, "Marjorie J. Clarke, Ph.D." <mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu> wrote:

At the Economic Development CB12 meeting a couple of weeks ago, they did indeed discuss the same restaurant again, but because the 34th precinct did not provide enough information (other than having called Dyckman a bar strip with a concentration of liquor licenses in the 2 block stretch), they tabled it !

At 01:06 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote:
> Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
> spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
> in Upper Manhattan?

If there is a major change in the question, such as dramatic new
information, it could justify re-hearing an issue.

Otherwise, most organizations that use Robert's Rules of Order would
first require a 2/3 vote on the question of whether to put the item
on the agenda, since the previous majority decision is in effect
being reversed.

I don't know what parliamentary authority is used by the Community Board
but it probably has something similar, since this is a basic principle
for deliberative bodies.

        -- Ed


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Environmental Scientist, Educator
mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu
New York City

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Maggie Clarke

The next meeting of what?  If it's economic development, what the heck are they talking about this t
The next meeting of what?  If it's economic development, what the heck are they talking about this time?
They're supposed to be off for the summer.

At 01:42 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:
FYI the next meeting is Tues July 29.  

Rita L. McKee
447 Fort Washington Avenue
Suite 63
New York, NY 10033
917.526.0050
_________________________
Principal,
RLM Marketing & Advertising
Member,
Community Board 12/Manhattan

Sent via iPhone

On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:23 AM, "Marjorie J. Clarke, Ph.D." <mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu > wrote:

At the Economic Development CB12 meeting a couple of weeks ago, they did indeed discuss the same restaurant again, but because the 34th precinct did not provide enough information (other than having called Dyckman a bar strip with a concentration of liquor licenses in the 2 block stretch), they tabled it !

At 01:06 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote:
> Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
> spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
> in Upper Manhattan?

If there is a major change in the question, such as dramatic new
information, it could justify re-hearing an issue.

Otherwise, most organizations that use Robert's Rules of Order would
first require a 2/3 vote on the question of whether to put the item
on the agenda, since the previous majority decision is in effect
being reversed.

I don't know what parliamentary authority is used by the Community Board
but it probably has something similar, since this is a basic principle
for deliberative bodies.

        -- Ed


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mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu
New York City


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New York City
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Rita L. McKee

The CB12 GM. Rita L. McKee 447 Fort Washington Avenue Suite 63 New York, NY 10033 917.526.0050 ____
The CB12 GM. 

Rita L. McKee
447 Fort Washington Avenue
Suite 63
New York, NY 10033
917.526.0050
_________________________
Principal,
RLM Marketing & Advertising
Member,
Community Board 12/Manhattan

Sent via iPhone

On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:32 AM, "Marjorie J. Clarke, Ph.D." <mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu> wrote:

The next meeting of what?  If it's economic development, what the heck are they talking about this time?
They're supposed to be off for the summer.

At 01:42 AM 7/17/2009, you wrote:
FYI the next meeting is Tues July 29.  

Rita L. McKee
447 Fort Washington Avenue
Suite 63
New York, NY 10033
917.526.0050
_________________________
Principal,
RLM Marketing & Advertising
Member,
Community Board 12/Manhattan

Sent via iPhone

On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:23 AM, "Marjorie J. Clarke, Ph.D." <mclarke@hunter.cuny.edu > wrote:

At the Economic Development CB12 meeting a couple of weeks ago, they did indeed discuss the same restaurant again, but because the 34th precinct did not provide enough information (other than having called Dyckman a bar strip with a concentration of liquor licenses in the 2 block stretch), they tabled it !

At 01:06 PM 7/1/2009, you wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Jonathan Rabinowitz wrote:
> Isn't returning to the same issue over and over again not in the
> spirit of parliamentary rules? What kind of banana republic do we have
> in Upper Manhattan?

If there is a major change in the question, such as dramatic new
information, it could justify re-hearing an issue.

Otherwise, most organizations that use Robert's Rules of Order would
first require a 2/3 vote on the question of whether to put the item
on the agenda, since the previous majority decision is in effect
being reversed.

I don't know what parliamentary authority is used by the Community Board
but it probably has something similar, since this is a basic principle
for deliberative bodies.

        -- Ed


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New York City


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